Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

7 мая 2008 г. 15:50

@Keggs. Hi there. With apologies I must seriously question if you are reading my posts or making up your own story. However if I understand you correctly you believe  I am wrong in not criticizing the WDCbecause they follow the wishes of dancers and adjudicators and operate an Open Market Policy.  Regretfully I cannot meet your thinking.

I have criticized the WDC on other matters but not this  one. 

Sorry but I did not read your long story as I did not think it could have any relevance to the actual topic.

Best Regards

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

7 мая 2008 г. 16:05

Dear onyourtoes

Your answer doesn't surprise me one bit. You are not interested in seeing a harmonious political outcome for our sport. The fact that you did not feel interested enough to read this fellow dancer's story is very telling indeed. If you are a professional also, which I suspect you are, then you only prove my point once again on my own attitude towards the dancing profession as a body.

If that is your attitude and that of other WDC supporters (and for that matter IDSF supporters) then you all should be ashamed of yourselves. And you dare accuse the IDSF of a lack of integrity.

You attitude reminds me of the old Victorian attitude towards children "chidren should be see and not heard". Replace children with the words amateur or IDSF whichever you prefer.

Best wishes

Steve

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

7 мая 2008 г. 16:20

Dear Simplydancer

Don't expect much of answer by onyourtoes. It is likely you will get short shrift for not following his or her own topic. Not sure what that is anymore but I suppose that's the nature of forums like this.

Unfortunately, as with much of our world there are many who like to criticise, condemn and argue the toss but these very same people are usually short on answers and suggestions. The fact, that onyourtoes and others like him or her decided not read what happened to Karate 4 years ago (which is exactly what is happening to us now) shows that either he would like our world to split acrimoniously or is too pigheaded to realise the consequences.

To Onyourtoes, I ask you directly is your support for the WDC so blind that nothing else matters?

Best wishes

Steve

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

7 мая 2008 г. 20:08

Hi quicktime2

Thanks for responding. I do mean exactly that - open to amateurs and professionals. I use the term professional in terms of income just as in tennis and Golf. If someone coaches as something to do after work, they would be an amateur. If it is their job or derive at least 50% of their income from coaching dancing then they in my mind are professional. But it's more an individual viewpoint rather than some dictat from an organisation that says "you can't do that, that's the province of a professional" which is the situation we have at the moment. That's an outdated concept now.

As far as the IDSF is concerned, I'm actually unsure what they really mean. It is open to different interpretaions. If they mean what I mean then OK. If not, then the IDSF and I disagree. But as I say, I am not really sure what they mean. As for the IPDSC, this really was created as a backlash to the WDC in their approach to the development of Dance Sport.

BTW I'll ignore the side swipe. That said, I don't agree with the IDSF being the sole governing body. Nor do I believe the WDC should be. What I do want to see is a governing body that has the agreement of everyone and represents everyone. Hopefully, both sides will desist from doing any further damage and beging talking with one objective in mind - to create ONE world wide body that we can all be proud of with one main objective to develop Dance Sport as a major world sport and not some strange activity performed by strange people wearing strange clothes which for many both past and present (particularly the British media) is how they perceive us. We have a chance to change that perception forever if we do what is necessary.

As far as the Olympics is concerned this is not my main priority at the moment. Once we have a proper set up both at home and abroad, we can persue our Olympic dream if that is the wish of the majority. Yes, I do think it is important, but at the present time this ridiculous IDSF - WDC debacle is what we should be concentrating on.

I hope you read Martyn's story. I really don't want to see that happen in our world but but really does look like it will. But we can all do our bit by stopping arguing amonst ourselves and perhaps even force the 2 sides to come together. The internet is a wonderful device which could be used for just that purpose.

The question is does anyone reading the forum have the will to make it happen.

Best wishes

Steve

Re: No 1 WDC Amateur League OPEN World Amateur Championships CORRECT POST VERSION

8 мая 2008 г. 7:37

@ Quicktime2.  Thank you.  

You have so very accurately summed up the situation so far as Canada is concerned.  I only hope now that Canadian dancers will seek the answers from the provisional organisations and make clear that it is the majority will of the competitors/adjudicators that is paramount.  They and not the non dancing politicians should decide their future.

@Keggs.  I am truly sorry that you are so outraged first because I wish to stick to the subject which is shown in bold letters as the introduction in what I believe dancesport info call "Forum articles" and "Topics".  I am reluctant to let people try and divert attention elsewhere just because the topic is to difficult for them to handle.

I will even apologise that I upset you to the point that you became sarcastic and abusive when you cannot actually respond.

Two thoughts . First in pursuit of this peace and harmony which I cretainly want and you say you want then would not an excellent first step be that the IDSF allow their members the same "open market" choices as the WDC?Second if your story tells us about a Karate world where there were 2 associations and the one happily allowed their members to partake their sport anywhere they chose but the other wanting to have THE power and control forbid this and introduced threats bans and boycotts and happily enforced the divisions and splits then I will go read.  Is that what it is about?

Two suggestions.  First Individual dancers demand a democratic vote and refuse to compete anywhere until this happens. .  Second The dancers get out there in strength and compete in these forbidden competitions challenging the authorities to self destruct.   If the old chestnut comes up "It is against the rules" then demand  change the rules.